So What do you think?

[Lena]

So What do you guys think about Bush being president for a 3rd time?

I like the idea, he is an awesome president. I think Kerry would of screwed us over and we would all be dead ;0

Pure-Angel

Every time little georgey comes on tv the old saying " Don't send a boy to do a man's job " enters my head . How did we sink so low to elect this guy ?

[shawn69]

So What do you guys think about Bush being president for a 3rd time?

I like the idea, he is an awesome president. I think Kerry would of screwed us over and we would all be dead ;0

Pure-Angel

Every time little georgey comes on tv the old saying " Don't send a boy to do a man's job " enters my head . How did we sink so low to elect this guy ?

The lesser of the two _____ I suppose. Whether you agree or disagree with him politically, you at least know where he does stand. Kerry just licked his finger, waved it in the air, and depending which direction the wind blew you could figure out Kerry's waivering position for the moment. This is indicative of someone with no core beliefs. You don't have to agree with Bush, and on many instances I don't, but his unwaivering candor is to be admired.
Once I figure out how to resurrect Ronald Reagan from the dead, I'll let everyone know. That way too we can get Margaret Thatcher back in office. They were such a great tandem.

[shawn69]

Okay, so it's a good start if Bush can't run again. All you have to do now is ensure that your system produces two decent human beings as candidates when you come to choose next time. That way, you can't fúck it up and choose a shít-for-brains in preference to a potentially fine leader, as Kerry might have been.

Like King George III. It's amazing how the socialists from the UK blast our presidents and our government's motives considering Great Britains fairly recent history of oppression and occupation throughout the world especially in northern Africa where they conducted much of the slave trade, or did we forget. Maybe the education there is becoming more and more like ours in that the inmates run the asylum and are attempting to rewrite history to suite their liberal agenda.
Our country is a liberator. We liberated ourselves from Great Britain via the American Revolutionary War, and millions upon millions of other people from oppressive dictatorships.
Socialists complain about how many innocent people have died in Iraq, but exactly how many innocent Americans died by the hands of Brits during the American Revolutionary War when all we wanted was to get out from under the heel of King George III?
A bigger quiestion is why do the socialists in Great Britain resent the US so much? Is it because in barely over 225 years, we've gone from surviving winter-to-winter to having an economy 7 times that of theirs and being worlds greatest super power, a title once held by them. Oh the irony of it all.

[swee]

Bush is amazing president, if it wasn't for him, your ass wouldn't even be here right now

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[you have male]

Pure Angel and shawn69 read as if they might be more at home in the school playground.

I am a bit surprised, however, that they are too dim even to question Bush's assertion that he is winning the "war on terror" by "taking the fight to the terrorists." That is manifestly untrue. It is perfectly obvious that he and other world leaders dance to the terrorist tune, capable only of decrying the latest outrage.

Regrettably, the attacks continue and I fear that it's only a matter of time before there is another atrocity in the US.

[Pure-Angel]

There is always atrocity is the US, even before there was terroist here. Its people against people.

Everyday its war, murder, and evil in America. Bush is doing the right thing, you guys fail to comprehend, that his main objective is to stop atrocity is the Middle East.

He's doing the right thing, and yeah! Maybe we will get more terroist attacks. So, what is there to be afraid of? Atrocity? Oh, No we been faced with that long time ago by our own people, we were to stupid to see it!

*Pure-Angle*

[shawn69]

Pure Angel and shawn69 read as if they might be more at home in the school playground.

I am a bit surprised, however, that they are too dim even to question Bush's assertion that he is winning the "war on terror" by "taking the fight to the terrorists." That is manifestly untrue. It is perfectly obvious that he and other world leaders dance to the terrorist tune, capable only of decrying the latest outrage.

Regrettably, the attacks continue and I fear that it's only a matter of time before there is another atrocity in the US.

Yes, it's inevitable that another attack will happen in the US. I'm rather surprised that it has not occurred yet. I think most Americans will only become more resolute in their resolve to defeating terrorism. Bush from the get go said that this would last years.
"Too dim," that only belongs to the naive that believe that the war against terrorism would end quickly.
The last time I checked, out of 128 conflicts throughout the world, Muslims were involved in 126.
Why don't you Google the terms "Denmark" and "Muslims" and have a better understanding of problems associated with this religion and its' finatics.
The problem with folks like yourself, your such a passifist and appeaser that you'd rather be speaking German right know then having fought WWII.
You Have Male, God help your girlfriend if she's ever brutally raped by a stranger in your presence. I know you wouldn't defend her. You probably tell her to just lay while you figure out what she must have done to deserve it. You apparently have no convictions.

[The-Prophet]

There is always atrocity is the US, even before there was terroist here. Its people against people.

Everyday its war, murder, and evil in America. Bush is doing the right thing, you guys fail to comprehend, that his main objective is to stop atrocity is the Middle East.

He's doing the right thing, and yeah! Maybe we will get more terroist attacks. So, what is there to be afraid of? Atrocity? Oh, No we been faced with that long time ago by our own people, we were to stupid to see it!

*Pure-Angle*

cough so killing about 1 million innocent people is alright if it saves 100,000 americans? F*** no its not how DARE you defend what hes doing in the middle east its IDIOTS like you that got him up there in the first place believing what you hear. you know i had to look up alot of these things myself, the petagon did the work that calculated that at least 500,000 people would die in the the initial bombing in iraq followed by 200,000 dieing from wounds recieved and a further 100,000 from disease and so on and they considered this a "just cause" F*** OFF IS IT! grr

*rant over*

[shawn69]

There is always atrocity is the US, even before there was terroist here. Its people against people.

Everyday its war, murder, and evil in America. Bush is doing the right thing, you guys fail to comprehend, that his main objective is to stop atrocity is the Middle East.

He's doing the right thing, and yeah! Maybe we will get more terroist attacks. So, what is there to be afraid of? Atrocity? Oh, No we been faced with that long time ago by our own people, we were to stupid to see it!

*Pure-Angle*

cough so killing about 1 million innocent people is alright if it saves 100,000 americans? F*** no its not how DARE you defend what hes doing in the middle east its IDIOTS like you that got him up there in the first place believing what you hear. you know i had to look up alot of these things myself, the petagon did the work that calculated that at least 500,000 people would die in the the initial bombing in iraq followed by 200,000 dieing from wounds recieved and a further 100,000 from disease and so on and they considered this a "just cause" F*** OFF IS IT! grr

*rant over*

Please site the source where these figures came from so that I personally can view it. Personally I think your full of it. How amazing that this information landed on your lap and failed to make into the hands of our left wing media. I have a very credible source within the DoD who was opposed to the invasion that I just know would have thrown this in my face without hesitation.

[one_irish_rover]

Before making broad allegations, how about substantiating your statement with examples so that one can combat it. But you see that's the problem with a lot of people, they can't.

Are you serious? A list of specific examples would be enormous, so i thought it would be pointless. i am very interested in responding to this in full, but i'm busy in the Just For Men and Better Sex sections. just popped in here to take a look. i'll be back to continue our discussion

Yes, but your full of it. You can't. All you can do is recite the propaganda that the left wing media relentlessly echos. You probably have no original thoughts of your own. But I'll be waiting.

If you were standing in front of me I would crush your skull in my bare hands. Hehe, just kidding (Judge), I'm a pacifist now. I'm all up for a rational discussion.

First off, I would not be where I am in life if I could not conceive an original thought. Secondly, I am so far to left on the political spectrum that I do not have representation in popular media or politics. Thirdly, any fool can see the errors in judgment that pervade the entire Bush presidency. But of course, perception is based on your political and social philosophies.

Briefly, as I see no point wasting too much time on you.

1. War in Iraq. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Saddam and Bin-Laden were mortal enemies struggling for power in that region. Saddam kept Muslim extremists in check (as evidenced by the influx of "insurgents" subsequent to his removal). Moreover, Iraq never posed any real threat to US security (they bluffed about weapons, who wouldn't, an old . strategy for a weak hand). The Iraq war was the Bush administration's way of steamrolling the fact that they had not (and still haven't) apprehended Bin-Laden (the Afghan war was justifiable, BTW). We have dumped billions of dollars of resources into "fighting terror" in Iraq. Millions of poeple have been killed, primarily Iraqis, we've blown that country into rubble, lost respect worldwide. This idea of pre-emptive strikes is abhorrent and must terrify the other nations of the world. Who will we invade next on a whim?

All the resources we've spent blowing that country to ruins could have been better allocated, i.e., with results as good or better than we've garnered now, with fewer negative repercussions. I don't have the desire to lay all those out here. Talk to Bill Clinton. I agree with many of his ideas in this area.

2. Theocratic social doctrines: banning gay marriage (what happened to equality in America), scientific/medical research stalled (stem cells), public funding of church-based programs (separation of church and state?), pushing this bogus Intelligent Design movement into our public school science classes.

3. Typical Republican philosophies (modern; Lincoln and that bunch were not Republicans in today's sense of the term) : widen the gap between rich and poor through taxation, slashing social programs, slashing loans for higher education, sitting on their hands about health-care proposals that would give health insurance to all Americans (socialism can be good!). Basically let the rich trample on the backs of the poor. Apparantly, this keeps our economy strong. Maybe or maybe not, but what does it do to the social fabric of this country.

4. Environmental issues. The man says that evidence of global warming is inconclusive (WHAT?). We are the world's largest producer of greenhouse emissions and we do not sign the Kyoto accord in 2001. Drilling up protected habitats for miniscule amounts of oil. Perpetuating our dependence on fossil fuels (friends of his), and half-hearted support of alternative energy sources.

5. Numerous social welfare and international aid programs have been slashed to nonexistence. Another Republican philosophy--every man for himself. Wonderful way to build a society.

6. The man cannot utter a coherent thought. Listen to any speech or interview he's ever given.

This is what I meant when I said I was embarrassed to be an American.

Goodbye, Shawn69. Oh yes, I am a humongous atheist, Marxist, commie, evil, whatever. There, saved you the time of writing it.

[shawn69]

One_Irish_Rover, I didn't didn't feel like having a whole page of quotes added to my response:

1. A lot of money has been allocated for the war on terror, but is still relatively insignificant to the impact that 9/11 had on our economy. The last estimates I heard were in excess of one trillion dollars. This takes into account the Trade Centers, Pentagon, and the impact to our markets.
2. Gay marriage is a statutory issue, not constitutional. Gays and lesbians may still marry someone of the opposite sex. I personally have no problems with gay marriage as I've consistently remarked.
3. Our governments position on stem cell research is mostly moral, but also based on a lack of conclusive scientific evidence. Our government is not opposed to stem cell research, it's only opposed to funding it via tax dollars. I'd like to see it left to private enterprises for R&D with the aid of tax breaks and credits to encourage exploration.
4. Churched based programs - to be so socially concerned about the well being of those less fortunate, I'm quite surprised you'd be opposed to this. Private entities are far more efficient and produce better results than any government programs. Government's have no incentive to efficiently spend tax dollars. Besides these programs are not applicable to just one type of church, rather all church organization, thus not recognizing a religion. Surprisingly you said it right "separation of," and not "separation from," big difference.
5. Taxation - Currently the top 50% of tax payers pay nearly all the taxes. We do need taxes to fund government programs. However it has been used as a means of class warfare via penalizing achievement and a redistribution of wealth. This is Marxist doctrine right out of the Communist Manifesto. I personally love the idea of the Fair Tax. Under the current tax structure, a US citizen can never truly own property in its entirety due to tax obligations.
6. Health care proposals - You need to go no further then the Canadian boarder to understand their health care crisis. The current economics fail to reward doctors financially, thus a shortage exist. Shortages lead to long delays in acquiring health care services such as MRI and EKG. This is also in addition to the high taxation that exists there.
7. Kyoto treaty - this treaty punishes the US while granting reprievals to less developed nations. Through enviroment laws, liberals have tried preventing the expansion of nuclear power and other alternative energy sources. I mentioned in a previous post that when Mount St. Helens erupted, more pollutants were released into the atmosphere than ever produced by man combined. Man's actions are relatively insignificant in the greater scheme of things.
8. International aid cut - What country gives more in international aid via tax dollars and private donations? I doubt you'll find one.
9. Bush speech - They're coherent, but I personally don't care to hear him speak either. Personally I would much prefer that Chaney be our president.
10. Iraq war - When the US went into Iraq, 9/11 was never once cited as justification for the invasion. To say otherwise, you would be lying. Are there connections between Iraq and terror, yes. If Saddam was compliant with UN resolutions as he agreed to following Gulf War I, the invasion could not have taken place.
I'd continue, but I'm personally tired of the half-truths and unsubstantiated rhetoric posed.
If you get the chance, PBS (a real conservative channel lol) shows a great mini-series called "Commanding Heights" that's worth watching. Your boy Clinton is even in it. It's quite informative, but a little dry if your not into economics.

[Lena]

One_Irish_Rover, I didn't didn't feel like having a whole page of quotes added to my response:

1. A lot of money has been allocated for the war on terror, but is still relatively insignificant to the impact that 9/11 had on our economy. The last estimates I heard were in excess of one trillion dollars. This takes into account the Trade Centers, Pentagon, and the impact to our markets.
2. Gay marriage is a statutory issue, not constitutional. Gays and lesbians may still marry someone of the opposite sex. I personally have no problems with gay marriage as I've consistently remarked.
3. Our governments position on stem cell research is mostly moral, but also based on a lack of conclusive scientific evidence. Our government is not opposed to stem cell research, it's only opposed to funding it via tax dollars. I'd like to see it left to private enterprises for R&D with the aid of tax breaks and credits to encourage exploration.
4. Churched based programs - to be so socially concerned about the well being of those less fortunate, I'm quite surprised you'd be opposed to this. Private entities are far more efficient and produce better results than any government programs. Government's have no incentive to efficiently spend tax dollars. Besides these programs are not applicable to just one type of church, rather all church organization, thus not recognizing a religion. Surprisingly you said it right "separation of," and not "separation from," big difference.
5. Taxation - Currently the top 50% of tax payers pay nearly all the taxes. We do need taxes to fund government programs. However it has been used as a means of class warfare via penalizing achievement and a redistribution of wealth. This is Marxist doctrine right out of the Communist Manifesto. I personally love the idea of the Fair Tax. Under the current tax structure, a US citizen can never truly own property in its entirety due to tax obligations.
6. Health care proposals - You need to go no further then the Canadian boarder to understand their health care crisis. The current economics fail to reward doctors financially, thus a shortage exist. Shortages lead to long delays in acquiring health care services such as MRI and EKG. This is also in addition to the high taxation that exists there.
7. Kyoto treaty - this treaty punishes the US while granting reprievals to less developed nations. Through enviroment laws, liberals have tried preventing the expansion of nuclear power and other alternative energy sources. I mentioned in a previous post that when Mount St. Helens erupted, more pollutants were released into the atmosphere than ever produced by man combined. Man's actions are relatively insignificant in the greater scheme of things.
8. International aid cut - What country gives more in international aid via tax dollars and private donations? I doubt you'll find one.
9. Bush speech - They're coherent, but I personally don't care to hear him speak either. Personally I would much prefer that Chaney be our president.
10. Iraq war - When the US went into Iraq, 9/11 was never once cited as justification for the invasion. To say otherwise, you would be lying. Are there connections between Iraq and terror, yes. If Saddam was compliant with UN resolutions as he agreed to following Gulf War I, the invasion could not have taken place.
I'd continue, but I'm personally tired of the half-truths and unsubstantiated rhetoric posed.
If you get the chance, PBS (a real conservative channel lol) shows a great mini-series called "Commanding Heights" that's worth watching. Your boy Clinton is even in it. It's quite informative, but a little dry if your not into economics.

Hi Shawn , I love these discussions , makes me think . I agree with you on some points and disagree with you on others . Then again no two people are 100% in sync on everyything .little georgey is a national embaressment , a spoiled child who has never really worked a day in his life and still tells evryone else to pull themselves up by there own boot starps . The decades of drug and booze problems ( what could someone born into great wealth ever have to hide from ? ) then sudden switch to a religious fanatic also point to some real serious immaturity maybe even mental health issues . We really did elect a twisted Alfred E. Neuman . The mess in Iraq , the disgusting plan to kill social security and medicare/ medicaid , along with the alienation of almost all of the world ( except for israel and poland , yippeee ) all show what a utter wreck this guy has been . In his own way chaney might be even worse , this guy is only interested in lining his own pockets and those of his buddys at his old company that has made a killing in Iraq , all at the expense of dead American and allied troops .He could only be expected to be even worse as president .I can almost just see him all smiling figuring on a calculator how much money the war has made him as they read off ther names of dead gi's on tv .

There too is the big lies told to get us into war with iraq ( which according to some academic people as wella s army oofficers i have as customers was fought mainly so little georgey could look tough which he needed after weaseling out of the Viet Nam war and to help israel ) that really did include the whopper saddam hussein ( a rat for sure ) was behind or in some way involved with 9/11. The tv at work was on alot after 9/11 and about 9/13 remember hearing some high administration source said Iraq was responsible . then there was all the talk about a meeting betwen one of the hijackers and a iraqi spy in Czeh republic that turns out never to have taked place . chaney kept the lie alive right thru the election . He must think we are all fools but I think thats the way most ideological and rich people ( little georgey and dick being both ) see regular people .

I am happy the people on tv are saying george jr.'s administration is running out of steam . There never was much to the little-boy-in-chief and it is good he won't be able to do any more harm , don't want to see old people lose there pensions and anyone else die fighting to make the guy who weaseled out of Vietnam pretend he's a snake-eater and to help israel . The country deserves a grown-up who will look out for us as president no matter what party he is from .

[you have male]

Yes, it's inevitable that another attack will happen in the US. I'm rather surprised that it has not occurred yet. I think most Americans will only become more resolute in their resolve to defeating terrorism. Bush from the get go said that this would last years.
"Too dim," that only belongs to the naive that believe that the war against terrorism would end quickly.

Hm..... are you getting ready to join the War on Bullshit?

Apparently not, it seems, but why does the foregoing quickly deteriorate into the semi-literate drivel that follows, I wonder?

The last time I checked, out of 128 conflicts throughout the world, Muslims were involved in 126.
Why don't you Google the terms "Denmark" and "Muslims" and have a better understanding of problems associated with this religion and its' finatics.
The problem with folks like yourself, your such a passifist and appeaser that you'd rather be speaking German right know then having fought WWII.
You Have Male, God help your girlfriend if she's ever brutally raped by a stranger in your presence. I know you wouldn't defend her. You probably tell her to just lay while you figure out what she must have done to deserve it. You apparently have no convictions.

Must try harder, boys.

[shawn69]

Yes, it's inevitable that another attack will happen in the US. I'm rather surprised that it has not occurred yet. I think most Americans will only become more resolute in their resolve to defeating terrorism. Bush from the get go said that this would last years.
"Too dim," that only belongs to the naive that believe that the war against terrorism would end quickly.

Hm..... are you getting ready to join the War on Bullshit?

Apparently not, it seems, but why does the foregoing quickly deteriorate into the semi-literate drivel that follows, I wonder?

The last time I checked, out of 128 conflicts throughout the world, Muslims were involved in 126.
Why don't you Google the terms "Denmark" and "Muslims" and have a better understanding of problems associated with this religion and its' finatics.
The problem with folks like yourself, your such a passifist and appeaser that you'd rather be speaking German right know then having fought WWII.
You Have Male, God help your girlfriend if she's ever brutally raped by a stranger in your presence. I know you wouldn't defend her. You probably tell her to just lay while you figure out what she must have done to deserve it. You apparently have no convictions.

Must try harder, boys.

It seems to be a pattern with you in that your unable to add to the dialogue. If you can't don't waste your posting.

[murray]

George Bush is a complete moron. The man can barely form a coherent thought. Compared to other world leaders he sounds like a child; what an embarassment. moreover, his delusional thought patterns have caused millions of dead around the world. on a domestic level this country is going down the tubes. what is most troubling is that he seems to be an accurate reflection of the current intellectual capacity of the american populace. ever since Bush took office i've been ashamed to be an American. we better get a democrat into office next term, for everyone's sake

Bush's detractors omit to mention that Bush has a higher IQ than John Kerry or Al Gore and that Bush had better grades at Yale than Kerry (who also went to Yale) or Gore (who went to Harvard). Bush then received an MBA from Harvard Business School whereas Al Gore flunked out of divinity school and Kerry received a law degree from the lesser Boston College Law School.

Unfortunately, ignorance divorced from reality and visceral hatred are common traits of Bush's detractors on the left.

The Bush haters fervently hope that America is defeated in Iraq - even with the attendant loss of American lives - so they can call Bush a failure. The liberal blogs rejoice at every American setback in Iraq, at every ambush and every car bomb, because defeat in Iraq would render Bush a failure. They are so consumed with hatred for Bush that they openly root for the enemy.

Their predecessors on the left employed this strategy successfully to ensure defeat in Vietnam. Indeed, the North Vietnamese tailored their military tactics for the specific purpose of agitating American liberals to protest against the war, to eat away at America's will from within. The left obliged, in many cases rooting openly for a Viet Cong victory. You and your fellow travelers are a newer model of the same instrument.

I find such people despicably ungrateful for the freedoms they enjoy, which were obtained at great cost in blood of American boys who these self-styled "progressive liberals" smugly deride as ignorant rednecks.

The liberal left in America openly wishes for any American setback, domestic or foreign, whether it be an economic downturn or even another 9/11, so they can have a vehicle to finally regain the power they lost owing to their lack of any affirmative agenda.

Our one area of agreement is your expressed shame that you are an American. I am surely ashamed that you are an American, or at least that you call yourself one.